i don't.... yesterday, my mother finally asked me if i would consider attending the memorial.
i just rather chuckled... "no, i don't think so.
" after a pause, i decided on an additional comment.
We respect your feelings. And that is why this forum invites all to express their feelings, wether we agree with you or not. Personally I was raised in the organization. And had been very faithful to it for MANY years. Please read my story under Friends entitled: It's High time I introduced Myself." You may find it very interesting, especially if you are working towards becoming a Witness.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
i don't.... yesterday, my mother finally asked me if i would consider attending the memorial.
i just rather chuckled... "no, i don't think so.
" after a pause, i decided on an additional comment.
Hello Everyone,
Personally, for my husband and I, we feel the need to take the time out tonight, and read over the scriptures in a dignified way, remembering what Christ Jesus did on our behalf. By doing this, we do not feel we need to be part of a congregation. the scriptures say, "Where there are two or more gathered in my name, there I will be also." This will be our first memorial we do not attend at the Kingdom Hall in all our lives. (With the exception of being stuck at home in a blizzard once when I was little, and the was no way for us to get to the hall.) I will make some unleavened bread (its not hard ) and will by some Kosher wine at the grocery store. I don't know if thats necessary, but it feels appropriate for us. We now know that Christ Jesus is our PERSONAL mediator. Jesus died for ALL. And it has even greater meaning to us then ever before. We personally do not feel that you have to be at the "Kingdom Hall" in order to honor this day. In fact, after finding all the deception, I personally do not feel I would be blessed if I did go there. I am so glad I have found a place to express my feelings without being attacked because they are different from others. Thanks to all of you, who have been a support to me and my family thru this long journey out!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .
http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618
sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.
It will take time for the CO to review the case and assign new elders and then the elders have to go over the notes from the old committee and then they have to agree on a time and all that jazz.
Hi Dan,
You mean LISTEN to the notes? I wouldn't be suprised if they too taped the conversaion! After all wouldn't t be alot more accurate in trying to remember what was said then making notes after the fact?? Just a thought!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
i was raised in the jw cult from birth until i left when i was 18(i am now 34).
i hated it from the beginning, but because my mom was so strict, there was nothing i could do about it.
(my dad didn't belong to the jws but i didn't get much sympathy or support from him - he didn't want to "rock the boat".
Hello and welcome to the board!!
We are so glad your here! We also look forward to more of your posts!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
to those that remember me i came here to tell you something.what i want to tell you is that you guys were right.
i have been researching the wt since i briefly posted on this board and i have come to the conclusion that the wt is nothing but a man made organization.
i have been researching the wt non stop since december.
Dear Leftbehind,
Your story realy touched my heart, as I too have come out and had previously shunned my disssociated brother. I feel your sadness and your shame. There are many of us who have the same experience. Try not to look back. Look forward. I am so.. glad you proved it to yourself. Now you know in your heart you have made the right decision! Hang in there! You have many friends here to support you!
SIncerely,
Lady Liberty
here are the scanned copies i promised i would post.
thanks to my wonderful husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz!
these copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization.
P.S. Eduardo,
I have no problem going back through the book to help find what you are looking for. I cannot promise it will be today, as I have been in and out with work, and I don't have a scanner here at my home office.
Thanks
Lady Liberty
here are the scanned copies i promised i would post.
thanks to my wonderful husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz!
these copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization.
that is the extrapolation that I was talking about. but one problem with it though, is that now you (one) jumps to the bible (Jeremiah) for the explanation of when Jerusalem was destroyed. It would be better to keep the argument either entirely scriptural or entirely scholastic.
OK.. Lets just go with that for a second. You cannot have ANY dates what so ever without secular data. NOT 607, NOT 1914, etc. You MUST accept secular data in order to establish any date! The problem is NOT wether the Bible and the secular data is in harmony because it IS! The issue is WHY is it that the Society dismisses secular data for one date but uses it to establish another. Example: 539??? If you were to do the research, you would see that ALL scripture is in complete harmony with the secular chronology(supported by A.K. Grayson, and other experts) astronomical data (which Babylonian records are so accurate that Scientists TODAY correct computer programs by them)and ALL archeological findings.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
i just need to vent.
those stinking, filthy, rotten, pieces of @#!*.
my husband and i are not disfellowshipped yet you would think that we are.
Dear Lo,
I am so... sorry! I completely understand!! Just the other day I too had a simular experience. And I am not D'fd either! Rumor has it though that my husband and I are apostate for questioning 607. It is abosulutely AMAZING!! Hang in there! Jesus wouldn't want you to be treated like that anyway. I can only imagine what he must think of them!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
Welcome to the forum! We are glad to have you here!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
here are the scanned copies i promised i would post.
thanks to my wonderful husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz!
these copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization.
That seems doubtful, however, what was not provided in this thread were the scan's of where Grayson actually does indicate the 587 B.C.E. Fall of Jerusalem date that is commonly known and accepted. Thus, not having the book in hand, it is only my assumption that Grayson (and his book) support the accurate date, but for all I know maybe he doesn't? So would you please post a scan of just where in the book he does support the 587 date so that it will be more clear that using Grayson as a source of any kind is deceptive. thanks.
-Eduardo
Eduardo,
I posted the scanned copy of page 19. Under Chronicle 5 notice what A. K. Grayson states is Nabopolassars 21st year. It says 605! Now look in Jeremiah 52:12, it says the destuction of Jerusalem took place in Nebuchadnezzars 19th reignal year. The Society teaches 607 was the year for Jerusalems destruction, and they teach it was Nebuchadnezzars 19th reignal year. O.K.....How is A.K. Grayson supporting 607 if he states that Nabopolassars 21st year was in 605?? Please now tell me A.K. Grayson is NOT in agreement with 586/587??
You can request the book for your library to see for yourself! I will get more scans from the office for you like you requested.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
